Dontronics - Fraud

Credit Card Fraud.

Original post 4-Oct-98
I don't get many users in this game that steal from me, but here are some that have done it with the fraudulent use of Credit Cards. And this is why I don't accept Email aliases for file only orders. If any of these people are prepared to do a funds transfer to me directly, I will drop them from this list. Yes, I have shortened the list already. If the police get to you before you get to me, then bad luck buddy!!!

The alternative is to be constantly hounded by me, and others that support Dontronics. After all, it's the users that pay for this fraud in the final analysis.

I now do an email name search on any address that I am suspicious of. If that fails, I search the newsgroups. It's up to you to convince me that you are real. Yes it all costs time and money!

Results already 5-Oct-98

19-Mar-98 Case 1:
beubanks@usa.net
The person that presented this email account to me used a valid credit card to purchase a copy of PicNPoke to the value of $40AUD. I exchanged email with the owner of the card to find that his card had been used by an unknown third party.
The address no doubt was registered just for this purpose, as it was made up from his real name. I am satisfied that the card owner and the thief are two different people. The email address is still valid and after talking to the webmaster@usa.net, I find they aren't prepared to do anything but close the account if I request it. Why should I loose my link to this person? This was a USA account.

18-Feb-98 Case 2:
carastas@usa.net
The person that presented this email account to me used a valid credit card to purchase a copy of PicNPoke to the value of $40AUD. In this case, I decided not to exchange email with the real card owner, as previous experience had found this to be a dead end. The email address is still valid so I am again keeping it alive.
The card was a European Mastercard and the user claimed to be from Romania.

29-Oct-98
----- The following address had permanent fatal errors -----
<carastas@usa.net>
----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mxpool01.netaddress.usa.net.:
>>> RCPT To:<carastas@usa.net>
<<< 552 <carastas@usa.net>... User exceed storage quota
554 <carastas@usa.net>... Service unavailable

Does this means I finally got to him???

6-May-98 Case 3:
slava@darksystem.com
The person that presented this email account to me used a valid credit card to purchase a copy of PicNPoke to the value of $45AUD. I checked the domain name InterNic registration and found a 1-Jun-98 entry for darksystem.com. This has since vanished.

It was on hold and registered to Bill Adams slavadark@usa.net
2345 Castillejo Way
Freemont, CA 94539-5105
US
(465) 762-2636
I sent Bill email, but never got a reply. Was this an elaborate scheme just to steal $45 from me???

29-Oct-98
----- The following address had permanent fatal errors -----
<slava@darksystem.com>
----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to mxpool01.netaddress.usa.net.:

550 <slava@darksystem.com>... Host unknown (Name server: darksystem.com: host not found)

So he unregistered his site????

5-Jun-98 Case 4:
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:05:45 +0500
From: Nauman Saeed <mtl@ms.net.pk>
To: forum@IBSystems.com
Subject: PID routine for 80c51 family of microcontrollers

Hi,
I am working on motor speed controls and need to develop PID
algorithm in 80c51 assembly language. Can anybody help? I'll be much
obliged.
Thanks Nauman
mtl@ms.net.pk

This man purchased two "Square 1" PIC books from Dontronics to the value of $144AUD.
He used his own credit card, confirmed with me that he got the two books, then told his bank that he hadn't ordered them. I have exchanged several messages with him in the past regarding the order, but he is now silent. I found this recent message from him with a search engine. I am amazed that this man is so blatant. I can see many of my friends messages on this forum.
This card holder is from Pakistan.

And guess what? A response straight away!!! 5-Oct-98
Subject:       Re: http://www.dontronics.com/fraud.html
       Date:    Mon, 05 Oct 1998 16:25:54 +0500
      From:    Nauman Saeed <mtl@ms.net.pk>
        To:      Don McKenzie <don@dontronics.com>

Don McKenzie wrote:
> http://www.dontronics.com/fraud.html
> will be set up shortly so that all credit cards thief's that have stolen
> from Dontronics can be pinpointed and targeted by many users, not just
> me.
> The only way out of this is a bank transfer of funds now.

Mr.Don I 've checked with my bank. They tell me that due to international
economical sentions no us $ can be transferred in any other country. As this
transaction was taking place while the sanctions were being carried out they
have deducted the money from my account. I don't know how long it will take
UNO to lift sentions from my country. So one thing that i can do is send the
books back to you. Send me your mail address and I'll ship you the books.
Thanks.
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5-Oct-98
Nauman,
Normally I wouldn't quote a personal email message in an open forum, but in your case I am prepared to make an exception.
You stole from me, you blocked the credit card payment at your bank months ago, then you lied to me several times.
You have admitted you purchased and received the books.
The funds were charged in Australian Dollars on an Australian bank to an Australian citizen, what has that got to do with U.S. sanctions?
Regarding the return of the books. Do I have idiot tattooed on my forehead?
Make arrangements for funds transfer now!!!

Don...

6-Oct-98
Mr. Don My bank has given me the following deposit receipt of our transaction.

LHR BRANCH CSA ID 841 08May98 12:17 TRANS# 984608998 0-

Check with your bank and stop sending me stupid emails.
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6-Oct-98
Yes that's the one you put a stop on back in May. I haven't got the money and you are changing the story again. First you say you can't pay because of US trade sanctions, (yesterday) and today you say you paid me in May.

I have all the documentation that tells me you not only stole from me, but also from the banks, both our banks in fact. You stole time which is money to them. Yes you cheated on your bank also.

Don...

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